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	<description>Words on the journey of raising a boy who eschews many social "boy" labels, and empowering him along the way.</description>
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		<title>Comment on The power of markers by Lucy</title>
		<link>http://labelsareforjars.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/the-power-of-markers/#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And apparently I use the phrase &quot;along the lines of&quot; far too often.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And apparently I use the phrase &#8220;along the lines of&#8221; far too often.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on The power of markers by Lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post makes me think of the many times that a stranger has come up to me, cooed over my daughter, and said something along the lines of &quot;How old is he?&quot; and I respond using the feminine pronoun.  Inevitably, their response is along the lines, &quot;Oh my God - I&#039;m so sorry!  yes, now that I look at her, I can TOTALLY see that she&#039;s a girl.&quot;  Ummm..... she&#039;s six months old.  She&#039;s bald.  She&#039;s a BABY, and you flat out can&#039;t tell what sex babies are unless you see them naked.  So why exactly are you (a) apologizing for thinking she&#039;s a boy, and (b) now insisting that her sex is totally obvious?  It&#039;s not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post makes me think of the many times that a stranger has come up to me, cooed over my daughter, and said something along the lines of &#8220;How old is he?&#8221; and I respond using the feminine pronoun.  Inevitably, their response is along the lines, &#8220;Oh my God &#8211; I&#8217;m so sorry!  yes, now that I look at her, I can TOTALLY see that she&#8217;s a girl.&#8221;  Ummm&#8230;.. she&#8217;s six months old.  She&#8217;s bald.  She&#8217;s a BABY, and you flat out can&#8217;t tell what sex babies are unless you see them naked.  So why exactly are you (a) apologizing for thinking she&#8217;s a boy, and (b) now insisting that her sex is totally obvious?  It&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Troubling our comfortable norms by Lucy</title>
		<link>http://labelsareforjars.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/troubling-our-comfortable-norms/#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!  Like many visitors today, I came from the New York Times article on gender fluidity.  This is a topic that I am VERY passionate about, which sometimes flummoxes my family because my husband and I have what appears to be a pretty traditional family (I&#039;m a SAHM to our six month old daughter, and my husband works).  But gender norms bother me SO much!  I have become ever more aware of them since having my daughter -- it&#039;s AMAZING to me how hard society presses gender &quot;norms&quot; upon even the littlest babies!  I&#039;ve had perfect strangers castigate me in Target for dressing my girl in &quot;boy clothes&quot; (i.e., clothes that have red or blue in them.  Wasn&#039;t aware that primary colors were gendered, thanks).  Sometimes I dress her in pink; sometimes I dress her in navy blue and red.  I don&#039;t really understand what the big deal is, but apparently even subverting such a minor norm is troubling to some people.  

It&#039;s my hope that my daughter can grow up in an environment that&#039;s accepting of gender fluidity, families that come in any form, and all the shades of gray on the sexual preference/gender spectrum.  Much support to you and yours -- your son is very lucky.  :)

- Lucy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!  Like many visitors today, I came from the New York Times article on gender fluidity.  This is a topic that I am VERY passionate about, which sometimes flummoxes my family because my husband and I have what appears to be a pretty traditional family (I&#8217;m a SAHM to our six month old daughter, and my husband works).  But gender norms bother me SO much!  I have become ever more aware of them since having my daughter &#8212; it&#8217;s AMAZING to me how hard society presses gender &#8220;norms&#8221; upon even the littlest babies!  I&#8217;ve had perfect strangers castigate me in Target for dressing my girl in &#8220;boy clothes&#8221; (i.e., clothes that have red or blue in them.  Wasn&#8217;t aware that primary colors were gendered, thanks).  Sometimes I dress her in pink; sometimes I dress her in navy blue and red.  I don&#8217;t really understand what the big deal is, but apparently even subverting such a minor norm is troubling to some people.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s my hope that my daughter can grow up in an environment that&#8217;s accepting of gender fluidity, families that come in any form, and all the shades of gray on the sexual preference/gender spectrum.  Much support to you and yours &#8212; your son is very lucky.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>- Lucy</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mechanically-inclined by labelsareforjars</title>
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		<dc:creator>labelsareforjars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds so simple and is of course heartfelt. But so telling, eh? Certain I&#039;ll see her playing trains adorned in wings and sequins!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds so simple and is of course heartfelt. But so telling, eh? Certain I&#8217;ll see her playing trains adorned in wings and sequins!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mechanically-inclined by Sam</title>
		<link>http://labelsareforjars.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/mechanically-inclined/#comment-490</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Syd (as princess and fairy obsessed as they come) really wants a train set for her b-day. When I passed on the message to her doting grandmother, the response was, &quot;Really?She doesn&#039;t want a new dollhouse?&quot;   AHHHHHHH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Syd (as princess and fairy obsessed as they come) really wants a train set for her b-day. When I passed on the message to her doting grandmother, the response was, &#8220;Really?She doesn&#8217;t want a new dollhouse?&#8221;   AHHHHHHH!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Troubling our comfortable norms by Molly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad I found this blog! Your son is adorable. He is so freaking cute! and absurdly lucky to have both you and your wife. 

I&#039;m not going to even start my ranting on gay marriage, since we obviously have the same views. Just suffice it to say that my uncle said something similar about the vote. He talked about how much it hurt that people were voting against him. it&#039;s just freaking wrong. 

I&#039;m not happy with society either. now I&#039;m going to go back to read some of your other posts. yay!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad I found this blog! Your son is adorable. He is so freaking cute! and absurdly lucky to have both you and your wife. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to even start my ranting on gay marriage, since we obviously have the same views. Just suffice it to say that my uncle said something similar about the vote. He talked about how much it hurt that people were voting against him. it&#8217;s just freaking wrong. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not happy with society either. now I&#8217;m going to go back to read some of your other posts. yay!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Losing and moving forward by labelsareforjars</title>
		<link>http://labelsareforjars.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/losing-and-moving-forward/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>labelsareforjars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! Thank you for eloquently saying what I feel I stumbled over, given the emotion connected to this. You are so right about the risk whether or not we blog about it -- our kiddos are who they are and as parents, we do what we can to help them and protect them. And protect looks different for different folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! Thank you for eloquently saying what I feel I stumbled over, given the emotion connected to this. You are so right about the risk whether or not we blog about it &#8212; our kiddos are who they are and as parents, we do what we can to help them and protect them. And protect looks different for different folks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Summarizing the mission by Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got my link up to your site today; I thought I had done it months ago! Doh! Sorry!

I&#039;m sure someone told you, or you have noticed the flood of traffic from, about the link in the New York Times to our sites. I went from my average of 10-30 hits on a non-posting day, to 700. 

Nobody left a comment of course. Hah.

The culture is changing so fast. We are part of that change, I&#039;m sure of it. People who are not rejected by their families are not easy victims...hurt someone with a strong family, and you&#039;ll have to always be looking over your shoulder. 

On the education side, I think we move the decent but ignorant. On the darker, incurable side, I think we&#039;re putting the haters on notice. 

Thanks for the link; sorry about the delay linking back to you; and thanks for writing and being a great parent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got my link up to your site today; I thought I had done it months ago! Doh! Sorry!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure someone told you, or you have noticed the flood of traffic from, about the link in the New York Times to our sites. I went from my average of 10-30 hits on a non-posting day, to 700. </p>
<p>Nobody left a comment of course. Hah.</p>
<p>The culture is changing so fast. We are part of that change, I&#8217;m sure of it. People who are not rejected by their families are not easy victims&#8230;hurt someone with a strong family, and you&#8217;ll have to always be looking over your shoulder. </p>
<p>On the education side, I think we move the decent but ignorant. On the darker, incurable side, I think we&#8217;re putting the haters on notice. </p>
<p>Thanks for the link; sorry about the delay linking back to you; and thanks for writing and being a great parent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Losing and moving forward by Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To not write about children and their experiences leaves them in the shadows. There&#039;s a fine line, between an activism which feels exploitative and not in a child&#039;s best interest, and trying to make the world a better place, for your child and the world. 

Different parents find different comfort levels. The question a parent really needs to ask themselves, is are they self-censoring, anonymizing, for their child&#039;s sake—or their own.

Parents in accepting communities who blog about their children aren&#039;t hurting them. I think. Of course, I&#039;m doing it too a www.acceptingdad.com; under a pseudonym. 

The other thing we are doing is trying to provide an alternative model to &#039;born in the wrong  body&#039; transgender as the only justification for gender non-conformity. There&#039;s a lot of confusion on this issue, and an exclusive media focus on kids who are born in the wrong body, coupled with a revulsion for adult transexuals, is only making the whole situation more divisive.

Many gender-nonconforming children will one day identify as gay. And many gay men do in fact deny their gender variant past, as today&#039;s gay male community is as femme phobic, or more so, ,than the general culture. So this whole endeavor is not without risk.

But the risk is there wheher you blog or not; our kids wear their hearts on their sleeves. They couldn&#039;t hide very well if you forced them too. In every gesture, every word, they reveal themselves. 

We are trying to combat the self-hatred built into the culture; that self hatred comes from somewhere. It&#039;s the culture at large which poisions are children. Which can make them take their own lives, which can inspire others to kill them. 

We are working on that. Individually, each parent doing this won&#039;t help their own child, perhaps. Collectively, if every parent does it, our children be much much safer.

Be the change you want to see in the world. 

Parents in supportive communities can do this. It&#039;s good for everyone. Relaxing gender stereotypes helps everyone. We take your point that it isn&#039;t risk free. 

Those of us in this community live with this risk every day. Some of us have to choose not to live our lives in fear. Some support us. Some don&#039;t. We live with that too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To not write about children and their experiences leaves them in the shadows. There&#8217;s a fine line, between an activism which feels exploitative and not in a child&#8217;s best interest, and trying to make the world a better place, for your child and the world. </p>
<p>Different parents find different comfort levels. The question a parent really needs to ask themselves, is are they self-censoring, anonymizing, for their child&#8217;s sake—or their own.</p>
<p>Parents in accepting communities who blog about their children aren&#8217;t hurting them. I think. Of course, I&#8217;m doing it too a <a href="http://www.acceptingdad.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.acceptingdad.com</a>; under a pseudonym. </p>
<p>The other thing we are doing is trying to provide an alternative model to &#8216;born in the wrong  body&#8217; transgender as the only justification for gender non-conformity. There&#8217;s a lot of confusion on this issue, and an exclusive media focus on kids who are born in the wrong body, coupled with a revulsion for adult transexuals, is only making the whole situation more divisive.</p>
<p>Many gender-nonconforming children will one day identify as gay. And many gay men do in fact deny their gender variant past, as today&#8217;s gay male community is as femme phobic, or more so, ,than the general culture. So this whole endeavor is not without risk.</p>
<p>But the risk is there wheher you blog or not; our kids wear their hearts on their sleeves. They couldn&#8217;t hide very well if you forced them too. In every gesture, every word, they reveal themselves. </p>
<p>We are trying to combat the self-hatred built into the culture; that self hatred comes from somewhere. It&#8217;s the culture at large which poisions are children. Which can make them take their own lives, which can inspire others to kill them. </p>
<p>We are working on that. Individually, each parent doing this won&#8217;t help their own child, perhaps. Collectively, if every parent does it, our children be much much safer.</p>
<p>Be the change you want to see in the world. </p>
<p>Parents in supportive communities can do this. It&#8217;s good for everyone. Relaxing gender stereotypes helps everyone. We take your point that it isn&#8217;t risk free. </p>
<p>Those of us in this community live with this risk every day. Some of us have to choose not to live our lives in fear. Some support us. Some don&#8217;t. We live with that too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Losing and moving forward by labelsareforjars</title>
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		<dc:creator>labelsareforjars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely have a look above at my response to Rachelle. I think that explains some of why I write what I write. And also explains how what I write is really only a tiny slice of our life. Much of our life is private. And that&#039;s on purpose. Q knows about this blog. In fact we talked briefly about it this morning, and in light of your post, I asked him if it was still okay for me to write about him, about his stereotype breaking, etc. He gave me the thumbs up. So I persist. Also, though, you should know that much of what I write about, though it may &quot;star&quot; him, is about me and my inner struggles. And it&#039;s also just general thoughts about the world we live in and how it goes round and how I might like to shift that rhythm just a bit. And yes, that involves my boy, because he&#039;s the one that gives a particular focus to the lenses through which I see the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely have a look above at my response to Rachelle. I think that explains some of why I write what I write. And also explains how what I write is really only a tiny slice of our life. Much of our life is private. And that&#8217;s on purpose. Q knows about this blog. In fact we talked briefly about it this morning, and in light of your post, I asked him if it was still okay for me to write about him, about his stereotype breaking, etc. He gave me the thumbs up. So I persist. Also, though, you should know that much of what I write about, though it may &#8220;star&#8221; him, is about me and my inner struggles. And it&#8217;s also just general thoughts about the world we live in and how it goes round and how I might like to shift that rhythm just a bit. And yes, that involves my boy, because he&#8217;s the one that gives a particular focus to the lenses through which I see the world.</p>
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